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CactusHopper
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21st Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 04:58 pm | |
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Robert wrote: CactusHopper wrote: So at what point does victory happen?
It doesn't ever happen. It is the wrong word to use in this battle because it implies something akin to what we achieved in past wars, where the enemy sat down at the table and said, ok we give up, ain't gonna be no more fighting.
That is not going to happen this time around.
Way to many Arabs have been taught from the cradle that it is their destiny to rule the world for Allah. That Jews were created by Lucifer, and Allah will not be happy untill they are all dead.
This is a struggle that will last another few hundred years. All you can do is control it. It is gong to be part of life for as far as the eye can see.
Welfare democracy won't work Robert. Democracy has to be something the people want. Giving it to them is a waste of time.
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GregfromBurbank
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22nd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:04 pm | |
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Robert wrote: CactusHopper wrote: So at what point does victory happen?
It doesn't ever happen. It is the wrong word to use in this battle because it implies something akin to what we achieved in past wars, where the enemy sat down at the table and said, ok we give up, ain't gonna be no more fighting.
That is not going to happen this time around.
We can and will have victories in each individual war..or battles if you wish to look at them that way.
Victory in Iraq can and is being achieved.
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Kent
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23rd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:05 pm | |
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| nope, they didn't want it and don't care..... Attachment: 2005-01-30_iraq_man_ink_finger_600.jpg (Downloaded 16 times)
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CactusHopper
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24th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:05 pm | |
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| I see you still can't define it.
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Kent
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| Attachment: purple_finger.jpg (Downloaded 16 times)
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Kent
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26th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:06 pm | |
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GregfromBurbank
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27th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:07 pm | |
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CactusHopper wrote: I see you still can't define it.
If you're speaking to me..I have defined it perhaps dozens of times here..so have others.
If it hasn't registered by now..it won't.
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CactusHopper
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28th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:10 pm | |
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| Avoidance..........
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Kent
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29th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:12 pm | |
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my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
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dublusk
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30th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:13 pm | |
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CactusHopper wrote: I see you still can't define it.
I think Robert did define it and said it cannot be achieved!
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dublusk
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31st Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:15 pm | |
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Kent wrote: my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
Kent, why do we want/need a military base there? It will be expensive and I can see no benefit.
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CactusHopper
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32nd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:15 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: CactusHopper wrote: I see you still can't define it.
I think Robert did define it and said it cannot be achieved! I noticed that too.
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Ed in East Texas
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33rd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:16 pm | |
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| Because a man doesn't know how many houses he has does't mean he is stupid. A good friend of mine who is involved in real estate for a living has to pause and think about the number of houses he has - and may miss one or two. Someone like McCain who has other things on his mind isn't stupid to be off on the number of houses he has. Don't be a typical liberal and think everyone else but you is stupid, ignorant, evil, etc., like most liberals do.
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dublusk
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34th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:18 pm | |
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Ed in East Texas wrote: Because a man doesn't know how many houses he has does't mean he is stupid. A good friend of mine who is involved in real estate for a living has to pause and think about the number of houses he has - and may miss one or two. Someone like McCain who has other things on his mind isn't stupid to be off on the number of houses he has. Don't be a typical liberal and think everyone else but you is stupid, ignorant, evil, etc., like most liberals do.
EET, wrong thread!
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CactusHopper
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35th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:18 pm | |
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Ed in East Texas wrote: Because a man doesn't know how many houses he has does't mean he is stupid. A good friend of mine who is involved in real estate for a living has to pause and think about the number of houses he has - and may miss one or two. Someone like McCain who has other things on his mind isn't stupid to be off on the number of houses he has. Don't be a typical liberal and think everyone else but you is stupid, ignorant, evil, etc., like most liberals do. I don't think everyone else is stupid son. I think it's stupid(or demetia) to not know how many homes you own....................either that or just a bit of lying to pretend that you are a common man.
Don't slip into talk radio mantra like most Republicans do.
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Kent
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36th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:18 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
Kent, why do we want/need a military base there? It will be expensive and I can see no benefit.
why do we need any of our bases that aren't in the US? We need them there because it takes us so freaking long to respond to an attack, we have France not allowing fly over... it's much easier to keep tabs on Iran, etc. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
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37th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:20 pm | |
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CactusHopper wrote: Ed in East Texas wrote: Because a man doesn't know how many houses he has does't mean he is stupid. A good friend of mine who is involved in real estate for a living has to pause and think about the number of houses he has - and may miss one or two. Someone like McCain who has other things on his mind isn't stupid to be off on the number of houses he has. Don't be a typical liberal and think everyone else but you is stupid, ignorant, evil, etc., like most liberals do. I don't think everyone else is stupid son. I think it's stupid(or demetia) to not know how many homes you own....................either that or just a bit of lying to pretend that you are a common man.
Don't slip into talk radio mantra like most Republicans do.
maybe he has people handling his investments???
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dublusk
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38th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:23 pm | |
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Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
Kent, why do we want/need a military base there? It will be expensive and I can see no benefit.
why do we need any of our bases that aren't in the US? We need them there because it takes us so freaking long to respond to an attack, we have France not allowing fly over... it's much easier to keep tabs on Iran, etc. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
Then what are all these $billion aircraft carriers for. How much military presence is needed since the Soviet Union fell? It will be expensive, unnecessary, a target for nuts, and a problem for moderate Muslims to deal with. Why is it our duty to keep tabs on Iran? Do you believe Iran is a threat to the US?
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GregfromBurbank
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39th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:27 pm | |
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CactusHopper wrote: Avoidance..........
One more time for the dementia contingency.
Victory in Iraq equals..
A stable, continuing democracy..the first in the arabic Middle East
An ally
A willing partner in the war on terror..which is fought everywhere..but especially in the Middle East
No longer a realistic threat from Al Qaeda..that is..no more than any other nation in the world..in other words..they give up on Iraq..and concentrate elsewhere.
Their oil production rejoins the world market.
Ability to defend themselves against foreign and domestic enemies.
We are free to operate and have a base there to clean up the rest of Middle East..if we choose.
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GregfromBurbank
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40th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:29 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: Do you believe Iran is a threat to the US?
Duh!!
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