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dublusk
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41st Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:30 pm | |
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GregfromBurbank wrote: CactusHopper wrote: Avoidance..........
One more time for the dementia contingency.
Victory in Iraq equals..
A stable, continuing democracy..the first in the arabic Middle East
An ally
A willing partner in the war on terror..which is fought everywhere..but especially in the Middle East
No longer a realistic threat from Al Qaeda..that is..no more than any other nation in the world..in other words..they give up on Iraq..and concentrate elsewhere.
Their oil production rejoins the world market.
Ability to defend themselves against foreign and domestic enemies.
We are free to operate and have a base there to clean up the rest of Middle East..if we choose.
"clean up the rest of Middle East..if we choose" that is imperalistic and is wrong. We should let people have the form of government they want. Who made us the judge of what is right and wrong?
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42nd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:32 pm | |
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Kent wrote: CactusHopper wrote: Ed in East Texas wrote: Because a man doesn't know how many houses he has does't mean he is stupid. A good friend of mine who is involved in real estate for a living has to pause and think about the number of houses he has - and may miss one or two. Someone like McCain who has other things on his mind isn't stupid to be off on the number of houses he has. Don't be a typical liberal and think everyone else but you is stupid, ignorant, evil, etc., like most liberals do. I don't think everyone else is stupid son. I think it's stupid(or demetia) to not know how many homes you own....................either that or just a bit of lying to pretend that you are a common man.
Don't slip into talk radio mantra like most Republicans do.
maybe he has people handling his investments??? the dims just can't find anything to hang on McCain, but ...he has 7 houses ..
well, Mr. Obama has 1 house worth 4.Million / just spend a week in Hawaii on a private Island ..he's no "common" man ..
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GregfromBurbank
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43rd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:32 pm | |
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dublusk wrote:
We should let people have the form of government they want.
To do so..some form of democracy has to exist.
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Kent
or is it really?
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44th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:35 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
Kent, why do we want/need a military base there? It will be expensive and I can see no benefit.
why do we need any of our bases that aren't in the US? We need them there because it takes us so freaking long to respond to an attack, we have France not allowing fly over... it's much easier to keep tabs on Iran, etc. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
Then what are all these $billion aircraft carriers for. How much military presence is needed since the Soviet Union fell? It will be expensive, unnecessary, a target for nuts, and a problem for moderate Muslims to deal with. Why is it our duty to keep tabs on Iran? Do you believe Iran is a threat to the US?
of course I do. So... we should basically recall all military personnel from all over the world, station them here and don't worry about what's going on beyond our shores?
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dublusk
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45th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:45 pm | |
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GregfromBurbank wrote: dublusk wrote:
We should let people have the form of government they want.
To do so..some form of democracy has to exist.
Maybe some don't want Democracy. A lot like having a nanny government!
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dublusk
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46th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:48 pm | |
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Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
Kent, why do we want/need a military base there? It will be expensive and I can see no benefit.
why do we need any of our bases that aren't in the US? We need them there because it takes us so freaking long to respond to an attack, we have France not allowing fly over... it's much easier to keep tabs on Iran, etc. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
Then what are all these $billion aircraft carriers for. How much military presence is needed since the Soviet Union fell? It will be expensive, unnecessary, a target for nuts, and a problem for moderate Muslims to deal with. Why is it our duty to keep tabs on Iran? Do you believe Iran is a threat to the US?
of course I do. So... we should basically recall all military personnel from all over the world, station them here and don't worry about what's going on beyond our shores?
Yes we could reduce the military bases across the world by half and still have the necessary presence considering all our long range bombers and aircraft carriers! BTW Iran fought an 8 year war with Iraq to a draw. We destroyed most of Iraq's military in 100 days! I do not fear Iran.
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chronos
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47th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:09 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: GregfromBurbank wrote: dublusk wrote:
We should let people have the form of government they want.
To do so..some form of democracy has to exist.
Maybe some don't want Democracy. A lot like having a nanny government!
then a liberated people can choose a non democratic form of government at the ballot box.
Bush had just as much right to rule Iraq as Saddam did when you get down to it.
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GregfromBurbank
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48th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:17 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: GregfromBurbank wrote: dublusk wrote:
We should let people have the form of government they want.
To do so..some form of democracy has to exist.
Maybe some don't want Democracy. A lot like having a nanny government!
A form of Democracy has to exist..to know that.
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Kent
or is it really?
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49th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:21 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
Kent, why do we want/need a military base there? It will be expensive and I can see no benefit.
why do we need any of our bases that aren't in the US? We need them there because it takes us so freaking long to respond to an attack, we have France not allowing fly over... it's much easier to keep tabs on Iran, etc. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
Then what are all these $billion aircraft carriers for. How much military presence is needed since the Soviet Union fell? It will be expensive, unnecessary, a target for nuts, and a problem for moderate Muslims to deal with. Why is it our duty to keep tabs on Iran? Do you believe Iran is a threat to the US?
of course I do. So... we should basically recall all military personnel from all over the world, station them here and don't worry about what's going on beyond our shores?
Yes we could reduce the military bases across the world by half and still have the necessary presence considering all our long range bombers and aircraft carriers! BTW Iran fought an 8 year war with Iraq to a draw. We destroyed most of Iraq's military in 100 days! I do not fear Iran.
they didn't have nukes then
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CactusHopper
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50th Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:35 pm | |
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GregfromBurbank wrote: CactusHopper wrote: Avoidance..........
One more time for the dementia contingency.
Victory in Iraq equals..
A stable, continuing democracy..the first in the arabic Middle East
An ally
A willing partner in the war on terror..which is fought everywhere..but especially in the Middle East
No longer a realistic threat from Al Qaeda..that is..no more than any other nation in the world..in other words..they give up on Iraq..and concentrate elsewhere.
Their oil production rejoins the world market.
Ability to defend themselves against foreign and domestic enemies.
We are free to operate and have a base there to clean up the rest of Middle East..if we choose.
Nice to see that we are shooting for the unlikely to ever happen.
A free Iraq that has to provide us bases................and none of the other options are any more than vague ideas.
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dublusk
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51st Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:50 pm | |
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Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: dublusk wrote: Kent wrote: my definition:
Victory (in Iraq): 1) people vote, 2) hospitals for sick, not torture, 3) schools built and children (and adults) being educated, 4) running water, 5) sewage plants and no raw sewage in the streets, 6) self rule, not a ruthless dictator and his sons 7) the end of the food for weapons UN program.
Does this mean there will never be violence? No. No country is without violence - none. It will also require a US military base, much like we have in Germany, Bosnia, Croatia, etc, etc
Now...... what I DO wish..... Iraq would help pay for their new freedoms. Maybe allowing us to have a base there is payment?
Kent, why do we want/need a military base there? It will be expensive and I can see no benefit.
why do we need any of our bases that aren't in the US? We need them there because it takes us so freaking long to respond to an attack, we have France not allowing fly over... it's much easier to keep tabs on Iran, etc. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
Then what are all these $billion aircraft carriers for. How much military presence is needed since the Soviet Union fell? It will be expensive, unnecessary, a target for nuts, and a problem for moderate Muslims to deal with. Why is it our duty to keep tabs on Iran? Do you believe Iran is a threat to the US?
of course I do. So... we should basically recall all military personnel from all over the world, station them here and don't worry about what's going on beyond our shores?
Yes we could reduce the military bases across the world by half and still have the necessary presence considering all our long range bombers and aircraft carriers! BTW Iran fought an 8 year war with Iraq to a draw. We destroyed most of Iraq's military in 100 days! I do not fear Iran.
they didn't have nukes then They don't have them now. If they get them, they have no delivery system to threat us anyway. They do have and have used chemical weapons.
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Burley Glen
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52nd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:50 pm | |
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Ed in East Texas
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53rd Post Thu Aug 21st, 2008 07:51 pm | |
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CactusHopper wrote: Ed in East Texas wrote: Because a man doesn't know how many houses he has does't mean he is stupid. A good friend of mine who is involved in real estate for a living has to pause and think about the number of houses he has - and may miss one or two. Someone like McCain who has other things on his mind isn't stupid to be off on the number of houses he has. Don't be a typical liberal and think everyone else but you is stupid, ignorant, evil, etc., like most liberals do. I don't think everyone else is stupid son. I think it's stupid(or demetia) to not know how many homes you own....................either that or just a bit of lying to pretend that you are a common man.
Don't slip into talk radio mantra like most Republicans do.
Son?
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